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Numismatics and Lobbying

Originally published on the mrbrklyn blog on the ANA website - Collecting Tips | mrbrklyn

Over the last few weeks it has been crystallizing in my mind that much of the hobby falls under increasing government jurisprudence and regulation. It is a bit of an oddity because so many coin collectors and dealers are inherently free market types and supporters of small government. It comes with the territory that those that are interested in bullion, particularly but not exclusively, have this libertarian bend. But the regulation by government is sort of built into the hobby but regulation has accelerated in the last decade driven by multiple forces, not the least of which has been the general trend of growing government over site in society. People increasingly look to government for solutions, and government has its own agendas, such as it is.

For starter coins and currency are products of government. So there is that coming right out of the gate. Its always been assumed and has been particularly true that coins of precious metals have an intrinsic value. But that has always been a bit of an illusion. Coins have always had a dual nature of fiduciary value and the market value of the metals. In my lifetime the metal has been virtually worthless, so I am not personally familiar with a coinage system where value of money is intrinsic to market values for precious metals. We never give it a second thought. But many coin collectors still feel they are fighting the 1933 move away from the gold standard, and swear that Richard Nixon's biggest act of betrayal was ditching the gold standard rather than Watergate.

The reality is that we live in a legal system that regulates coin collection, and much of the regulation stems from one of three areas of interest:

  1. Monetary Regulation and counterfeiting
  2. Fiscal policy, investment and financial laws (including taxes).
  3. Cultural artifacts and archaeological laws.
All three of these have been in the recent news. For coin clubs, lobbying often takes a back seat to the day to day interests of trading and artistic issues. But lobbying really needs to be given more attention.

One such group that puts lobbying at the forefront of their mission is The National Coin & Bullion Association, which was formally known at the Industry Council for Tangible Assets. It is a 501(c)(6) trade association that describes itself as:

dedicated to the coins, currency, and precious-metals bullion communities for over 38 years. NCBA exists to promote and safeguard the interests of its members, serving as the industry's watchdog to maintain a favorable legislative and regulatory climate in the United States federal government and individual state governments. The association provides a medium through which its members may confer, consult, cooperate with, and educate governmental and other agencies to solve problems affecting their businesses. NCBA also offers its members assistance and information on new and existing laws and regulations and promotes harmony and cooperation among its members to advance the welfare of the numismatic communities.
They have varying degrees of membership from free to paid. Their published accomplishments include Broker Reporting Regulations, Cash-Reporting Law, FTC regulations on telemarketing, Precious Metals for IRAs, and more. They are currently lobbying on Counterfeiting, Airline regulations, FTC advisement, sales taxes etc etc. Again, see their website for details.

https://icta.memberclicks.net/current-affairs

To give you an example of the problems involved, a little known federal agency called the Commodities Futures Trading Commission, an agency designed to regulation options and futures trading, is directly involved in coin collecting. Their legal status is defined in the law under Chapter 17 part 1

The CFTC has a whole history of intervening in metals and rare coin markets

This example outlines their position regarding Commission Regular 150.2

Unlike certain enumerated agricultural commodities set forth in Commission Regulation 150.2, the CFTC has largely permitted speculative position limits and position accountability levels for futures contracts on metal commodities to be set by the futures exchanges. The speculative position limits and accountability levels for specific metal commodities are subject to approval, certification and oversight by the CFTC. As set forth in Appendix B to Part 38 of CFTC Regulations, the CFTC through Core Principle 5 specifies acceptable exchange practices for establishing position limits for commodities, such as metals, and also allows the exchanges to use "position accountability levels" rather than fixed position limits in months other than the spot-month for commodities that meet certain liquidity requirements.8"
The law allows them to regulate bullion coins under Section 31.3 of Title 17

Cultural Artifacts

Issues having to do with transport of coins designated as cultural artifacts concern me a great deal. Recently it was reported that in Champaign, NY ancient coins from Persia and Armenia were confiscated because of a lack of a license. I have never seen such a license and I have several ancient coins that I have purchased from legitimate vendors. Furthermore, I just got done reading in David Hendin's text on Biblical Coins that it can take months to get common window's mites out of Israel now, and Israel is fairly lenient in these matters. Italy, Germany, France and much of the world is much stricter. Coin dealers are terrible at provenance and this is a quagmire waiting to happen to many collectors.

Tax and Business Law

Recently the IRS has tightened regulations on all monetary transactions for more than $600 with on line. Vendors, banks and transaction companies like paypal and ebay have stricter reporting rules. It is common to purchase coins for these sums of money and coin dealers are very much used to dealing in cash. With an increasing surveillance state and the addiction to cellphones, it will get very difficult to hide cash transactions.

Overall, it should be clear that we need a much better lobbying arm for coin collectors and the education on these issues needs to be much better. This might be a mandatory part of ANA education programs. From issues relating to Pawn Brokers, to stolen goods, to taxes, to import export laws, collectors are being regulated in every direction. We need to be more proactive in the political dialog about this hobby.

The Safir Family Internet Coin Library. Nearly all the coins here have been stolen. If you have any information on the theft, please contact us at mrbrklyn@panix.com

Click to see these examples show below including photography: note to lawyer: most of the good stuff is gone
Section I:
US Coints
Large Cent Coppers
Flying Eagle Cents
Lincoln Cents and Wheat Backs
Buffalo Nickels
Jefferson Nickels
Jefferson Silver War Nickels
Bust Half Dimes
Mercury (Liberrty Head) Dimes
Roosevelt Dime
Barber Quarter Dollars
Standing Libery Quarter
Washington and Washington State Quarters
Cap Bust Half Dollars
1813 o.108 AU58 Cap Bust Half Providence Powell.
1818 MS63 Cap Bust Half
1833 MS63 Cap Bust Half
Seated Half Dollars
Barber Half Dollars
Walking Liberty Half Dollars
Franklin Half Dollars
Kennedy Half Dollars
Morgan Silver Dollars
Peace Silver Dollars
Eisenhower Clad and Silver Dollars
Sacawagea Golden Dollars
Modern Silver and Clad Proof Sets
Modern American Silver Eagle uncirculated mint coins and proofs
Modern Silver and Clad 2008 Commorative Bald Eagle Series
Gold Coins - Not too many
Circulated US Silver Coins prior to 1964

Go To Section II:
Modern and Ancient Foreign Coins from Outside The United States

Go To Section III:
Mandy's 25th Anniversary World Wildlife Fund Silver Coins

Unsorted Extra stuff:
Bust US Coinage
From the coin Show at Melville Long Island
Article on Numismatics and Lobbying

The Safir Family Internet Coin Library: Foriegn Coins.

Several mints from around the world make exciting coin designs in circulating alloys, silver and gold. Among my favorites are the Perth Mint in Austrailia which produces a variety of coins for nations mostly through out the Pacific Rim. The Neatherlands has also produced some interesting designs, and several private US based mints have produced foreign currency on contract, include the Franklin Mint which has produced many Israeli Coins.
Our interest in foreign coins has been nominal but rapidly growing as it seems that US designs are so stuck in the mud. Also, foreign mints are creating bold new designs with color and bimetal designs that are both eye catching and fun.